Re: uqwk question

Steve_Coletti (bigsteve@dorsai.dorsai.org)
Sat, 07 Sep 1996 10:05:34 -0400

In article <ZxAMyku1de8T092yn@445sa>, ten.eerfrot@445sa (Tam Middletun) wrote:
>Fri, 06 Sep 1996 05:27:04 -0400,
>bigsteve@dorsai.dorsai.org (Steve_Coletti) wrote:
>>There WAS a hidden option in IMPORT that allowed it to read in the QWK
>>format MESSAGES.DAT file, but I don't remember it. I don't know if it is
>
>Really, this is very interesting. Do you remember what the switch was? I'll
>try it, for future reference. Just a week or two ago we had a frantic

Maybe you missed the post from Pat Shanahan, he remembers the option is -K.

>> < I was balding, then I installed Windows 95 and pulled the rest out. >
>
>Ah not to start a rant (especially when this list is 75% win95 lately it
>seems, since the win95 port of yarn) but wow... my mom just got a new
>pentium naturally with Win95 loaded. I've been setting it up and getting
>everything running for her and it is a major, major pain in the butt!

Yes it is. The thing to remember is that WIN95 and NT to a point are
basically automatic systems. Forget all the things you did to install any
S/W or H/W before. In it's attempt to be a clone of a Mac, WIN95 tries to
do everything for you. I came from an IBM mainframe enviornment, using
their old VM system. This is an envolved "hands on" system as UNIX or the
early days of MSDOS. REXX was originally written for VM and then it was
ported to OS/2. The program modules are different, but the command
structure is the same. You have to forget trying to do it "your way", you
don't need it and you'll get quite frustrated if you try.

I can still "hack" with WIN95, I have bat files set up as option selecting
and job stream controlling shells for YARN, SOUPER and other DOS programs.
Now that the WIN95 "Console" versions of YARN have the same naming
convention as the non protected DOS, (and OS/2), versions, it's simplified
them a bit. I can even use the 16-bit Winyarn interface to run them.

Another thing is that a few old DOS 6.xx tasks were incompatable with WIN95
so they were eliminated from the WIN95 DOS mode. You can get them,
rewritten for WIN95, from the Windows95 accessory page. I don't remember
the exact URL, but you can start at www.microsoft.com and go into the
Windows 95 stream. There are a few other things there you might find
interesting.

>And
>unstable as anything. It just crashes all the time. Especially on win16
>apps. Preformance seems to degrade quite quickly on it too, over uptime.

You're not "tuned" yet. I still get a few "illegal operations", but that
usually has to do when I'm conflicting with two programs accesing the same
file or device, or a driver or winsock isn't loaded or isn't the right
one.

>Craziness. Plug'n'Play has everything on bizzare non-standard interrupts
>and DMA's... trying to find a spot to put the scanner took me a whole day.

Manufacturers are selecting H/W products like that to help avoid any
conflics with any legacy H/W you're bringing in from your old machine.
Win95 can find them. For example, my CDROM's DOS driver can only find the
address and interrupt on the IDE controllers, but WIN95 can find it on the
controller built into my sound card. The two reasons I don't have it
connected there is that I may want to run a DOS app that calls for a CDROM,
and there isn't enough room in my low profile machine to squeeze in another
IDE cable without significantly blocking the air flow.

>Dos programs are scratching their heads trying to figure out what the hell
>is happening. Crash lock crash. And that's just running commerical apps, on
>a pentium with 16 megs.

The WIN95 PIF editor, (as you may have known it in WIN 3.x), is non
existant. Always let WIN95 do the memory allocations for you and you'll
have no real problems.

> .. for some reason Win95 up there accesses the
>Hard drive every second or two... just for a split second. What is it
>doing?! it drives me nuts, the damned drive light flashing all the time.

Are you using DriveSpace or the option in the disk deframenter that
continuously runs? During free time, WIN95 will constantly move clusters
around in an attempt to optimize the HD if either is in use. Also, if the
CDROM is on an EIDE controller, (and it usually is on controller 1), you
will see the HD light flash, even when playing an audio CD.

>And then there's
>the microsoft keybaord with te utterly annoying windows buttons constantly
>getting in the way.

So change the keyboard. Trust me, you'l get used to avoid hitting the
keys. Now if I'd only remeber that the START button is there instead of
alwyas pointing.

>And the microsoft mouse that sounds like a gun going
>off every time you click a button (though it is quite comfortable in the
>hand, i must say)... maybe i'm a little over sentitive. >-:

You mean the mouse itself? Or is that the sound scheme you have? If it's
over the speakers you can change it in control panel/sounds.

>But back on topic. I just tried all lower case letter switchs and they all
>say illegal option, except the four we know about. Hmmm. Chin probably
>didn't want to support it and took it out, like you said.. maybe.
>
Go back to the third paragraph, and say thanks to Pat.

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