Re: Yarn under Win98

From: Brian Jackson (brianj@inet.co.th)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 1999 12:00:05 +0700

Thanks to all who replied with helpful tips for running yarn and other
DOS programs under Win 98. To Dirk: yes I have been doing things
exactly as you described, and experimenting with the various property
settings for running my batch files. The yarn for Win95 is running
just fine, and the "close on exit" (or is it "exit on close") option
is nice too. I was mainly hoping for a way to continue using Yes, or
maybe a suggestion for a similar program that can be used under Win98
in its place. But I guess I can live without it.

"Counselor" <counselor@geocities.com> wrote:

>You'll not tempt any criticism of Win98 out of me. In fact, I've
>found Win98 to be the most stable Windows OS yet. It's *way* better
>than Win 3.1 imho.

There are sure more features and I am generally happy with the way
it's supposed to work. But I am getting many screen freezes, invalid
page faults, illegal operations and the like. Sometimes I can
gracefully restart but more often it requires rebooting, meaning I'm
afraid to be doing more than one thing at a time because I lose
anything unsaved. I can't even remember the last time Win 3.11 crashed
on me.

>I currently run yarn in a DOS box under Win98 and send/receive packets
>using VSOUP95 which works great! You didn't tell us the speed of your
>processor, but since you said your pc is new, I will assume that it's
>probably fairly fast. When I first purchased my Pentium 2/350MHz
>machine, I was faced with many of the same problems you are
>describing. I learned that there is (or at least was) a bug in the
>Bohrland compiler which made programs using that compiler to not work
>on fast processors. This is certainly the case with yes.

I guess I've given up on Yes for the time being, and hope it will
someday be recompiled to work. My processor is a Celeron 333. And you
are right I think, I've been advised by another helpful person as
well, that the source of the problem is the fast processor.

>I also had trouble with my image viewer, although metamail still works
>for me and I'm able to detach attachments without problems. I have
>never implemented an html viewer, so I cannot say for sure, but I do
>know that a program called view will display html files and I've run
>it in a DOS box successfully.

I will tinker around with metamail some more, as it sounds as though
this *should* still operate. I'm still unclear about how the mailcaps
file would work calling a native Win98 application. I've been told to
call them with " START [options] [program] in a batch file, but
mailcap calls a program with parameter %s to pass the contents of the
currently viewed article to the program. Obviously it's time for me to
go out and buy some more books '-) For now, if there's encoded
material that I want to check, I will write the article to x.uue and
drop that on Winzip, and open whatever it is from there (other than
exe's or doc's of course).

>I believe you can launch a Windows application from your DOS box, but
>it will switch the task and you'll have to manually use ALT-TAB to
>switch back. That said, I found that Win98 comes with a pretty nifty
>little image viewer called kodakprv.exe which is located in your
>Windows directory. This program does not have a lot of features, but
>it works fine for viewing images. It's menu driven and can be set to
>view an image by setting it to its true size, fitting it to width or
>fitting it to height. The arrow keys will scroll through the zoomed
>image and the menus are accessible.

Yes this one seems like a good simple viewer. By the way, a nice fast
viewer/converter is IrfanView, which will also display gif animations,
step through all images in a directory, various "fit" options etc. It
can be driven almost exclusively with the keyboard too. I was
impressed. It's freeware to boot:

http://stud1.tuwien.ac.at/~e9227474/download.html

>Regarding the compiler bug, someone sent me a program which will patch
>some of the DOS executables with this bug in them and it worked for a
>couple of my programs. Unfortunately, it did not work with yes.
>Alas, I have had to give up using yes with yarn. But, don't blame
>Win98 for this -- it's actually the fault of your fast processor.

Have you found anything similar to take its place? I regularly used
the Yfolder program for neat and quick archiving of my World Tibet
Network newsletters - it will be time consuming to do them one at a
time with yarn's write/append procedure. Reorder can be done manually
within yarn (delete and re-insert in the newsgroups list window).
Adding taglines and sigs can also be done manually but it sure is nice
to have it integrated.

>I hope this information helps. If you want me to send you that patch
>program or if you have further questions, please don't hesitate to
>write back. Good luck and I hope you grow to enjoy Win98 as much as I
>do. :)

I hope I do as well. Eventually it will all be sorted out, but looking
into the Win98 discussion group the other day, I notice a lot of
others with the same sort of page fault, illegal operations warnings
and lockups that I'm experiencing. Wouldn't be such a big deal if one
could gracefully extract oneself from them, but more often than not I
will get frozen and the mouse can't move, the keyboard doesn't
function (the only combination it can understand is Ctl-Alt-Del -
would be nice to use Alt-Tab and Alt-F4), and so no way to kill the
offending process.

Thanks for offering to send the patch, but if it doesn't help Yes then
I imagine I wouldn't try to use it.

>"Happiness isn't getting what you want, but appreciating what you
>have."

Good advice. In the current case - I wanted a new computer, I got
Win98, and I'll do my best to appreciate it. '-)

Brian